10/03/2006

Part 2: "Guns Save Lives"...@ www.ontheborderline.net

Concealed weapon permits in the news:


10/3:
Delware
U.D. cops seize arsenal from Drexel Hill house

UPPER DARBY -- Police say they believe they thwarted a catastrophe after removing an arsenal of guns, ammunition, grenades, knives, bomb-making components, including 16 ounces of hazardous mercury, and other weapons from a Drexel Hill home. The search warrant was obtained for the house, located 200 feet from St. Charles Parochial School, Dennison Avenue, after a detective recognized the defendant from a previous incident involving weapons.

...Conner who obtained a concealed weapon permit in Chester County in February 2005 was armed with a loaded handgun when taken into custody.

10/1:
California
Marin stingy with concealed weapon permits

Getting a license to carry a gun in some places around the state is as simple as asking for one and taking a class. But in Marin County, it's tough. Real tough.

"People have to show me good cause," said Marin County Sheriff Robert Doyle.

9/27
Nevada:
Lawyers cite self-defense for Hells Angels in Nevada casino brawl

LAS VEGAS (AP) - Defense lawyers said Wednesday that Hells Angels were defending themselves and didn't plot a deadly brawl with rival Mongols motorcycle gang members during a southern Nevada biker rally in 2002 as a federal prosecutor said.

...Police later found one bullet casing and six intact bullets near where Dysart stood, Chesnoff said, adding that Schaefer had a valid concealed weapons permit and a clean criminal record before his arrest.

9/21
Alabama
Second brother pleads in shooting incident

Marece Richards, who was driving the night his older brother began firing a military-style rifle at another vehicle as the two cars raced along Government Boulevard, decided Wednesday to follow his brother's lead and plead guilty in the case.

...Marece Richards, an aspiring rap artist, had in his possession on that July night a .40-caliber handgun, with a permit, but did not pull it or fire it as his brother opened up with the assault rifle. (At least somebody was acting responsible.)

Tennesse
Dr. Feel Worse
“He liked to show it off,” she says. “You know, I’m big, I’m bad, I got a gun.”

All of these people describe Feldman as a man who holds a grudge and carries a gun. In fact, the Scene obtained a copy of his handgun carry permit from the Tennessee Department of Safety. One source, a former nurse in his practice, says that Feldman never left home without a revolver strapped to his ankle.

9/19
South Carolina
Man gets 16 years in Cornell Arms killing
“Yeah, he had a concealed weapon permit, but he wasn’t supposed to be holding a weapon as a night watchman."

Jason Michael Dickey, 32, was sentenced to 16 years in prison by Judge James Johnson Jr. for the death of 24-year-old Joshua William Boot in May 2004.

Boot, of West Columbia, and Dickey got into a fight in front of the Cornell Arms Apartments after Dickey, working as a night watchman at the complex, asked Boot to leave. Dickey was convicted by a jury Friday of voluntary manslaughter in the death. Boot was shot in the chest and twice in the stomach. Dickey, who carried a concealed weapon permit, said at trial he was acting in self-defense. He faced between two and 30 years for the conviction.

“We felt that justice was done,” said John Meadors, deputy 5th Circuit solicitor.

Indiana
Murder charge filed in shooting over jewelry

NILES — Police investigating the case of a 29-year-old South Bend man accused of shooting another South Bend man outside a store on the Michigan-Indiana state line last month said Tuesday that Louis Clark did not intend to kill Renell Exum. Police said he intended just to shoot Exum in the leg to push him away during a struggle over a gold necklace.

...“(Clark) called the police,” Parish said in arguing for a bond reduction. “He waited for the police to come. He did everything right. The fact that he had a gun shouldn’t be held against him. He had a valid permit.

9/19
New Jersey
Woodbridge man charged in 2003 twin killings

MIDDLESEX COUNTY — A Woodbridge man with ties to the violent Bloods street gang was arrested yesterday in connection with a 2003 double homicide. Michael E. Ross II, 23, of Chestnut Street, Avenel, was arrested yesterday at Mid-State Correctional Facility in Wrightstown, Burlington County, and charged with the Oct. 30, 2003, murders of Aleksy Bautin, 26, and Sergey Barbashov, 21. Ross is being held at the prison on unrelated aggravated assault and theft charges.

According to the police complaints, Ross possessed a handgun with a permit and used it unlawfully against another, "specifically by shooting the victims with a 9 mm handgun in the Forest View Apartment Complex in Avenel."

9 comments:

AndyRand said...

What? no "Pistol Packing Grandma Saves
Family From Inturder" headlines?
CATO had to search the depths of his memory to recall one incident several years ago when an armed citizen foiled a criminal assault.
Here's the challenge for you "Guns Save Lives" Fans.
Find as many headlines proving that armed citizens foil criminals in the same time period as listed in this post.
The short answer is, you can't.

CATO, I suppose you'll interpret this as a personal attack on you, rather than the rejection of the stupid idea that "Guns Save Lives".
I'm looking forward to your citing the Constitution to support the false claim that "Guns save lives".
Here's your chance to prove why I'm wrong.

AndyRand said...

Gee, no challenge takers?

I wonder why?

AndyRand said...

Day 3 of the "Guns Save Lives" Challenge and still no takers?
It won't be long when all you "Guns Save Lives" advocates will be eating your humble pie, and have to admit.
Guns Kill!!!

Cato said...

Don't you think if they saved one life, once, it is all worth it?

Unless you can assure me criminals will not break the law and continue to be armed and government will also lay down it's arms.... well, as they say, you can pry it from my cold dead hands.

I will not go looking for news stories that do not exist. It's not news the news reports. I would have to go through police reports of every small town in America to find this information. Who cares if someone defended themselves? That makes people feel safe. But tonight at 11, YOU COULD AND PROBABBLY WILL DIE IF YOU DO NOT WATCH.

AndyRand said...

CATO said:

"Don't you think if they saved one life, once, it is all worth it? "

NO!...This post lists multiple incidents of deaths caused by guns, many of them preventable. Saving one live once, by now means justifies arming every man, woman, and child with a concealed weapon.

"I will not go looking for news stories that do not exist."

If incidents happened where "guns saved lives" they would be reported and would exit. To be honest every so often I do hear of a store owner with a gun who may foil a robbery. But incidents like the ones in this post FAR outnumber those. I'd agree with you that someone like a store owner has a right to protect himself and his property, but that's a far far cry from saying that school kids and teachers should all be packing heat. That's just down right ridiculous and law enforcement would be the first to tell you that.

I think it's rather lame to blame you inability to find incidents where "guns save lives" on the media. If they saved that many lives they'd be readily reported, if by no one else, than by the NRA.

Kalvyn Clean said...

"This post lists multiple incidents of deaths caused by guns, many of them preventable."

I noticed some of the incidents were people defending themselves from attacks by others. So you're saying people should NEVER defend themselves?

AndyRand said...

Kalvyn:

Just in case your reading glasses have become fogged I just posted this in the post you're responding to:

I said:

"To be honest every so often I do hear of a store owner with a gun who may foil a robbery. But incidents like the ones in this post FAR outnumber those. I'd agree with you that someone like a store owner has a right to protect himself and his property, but that's a far far cry from saying that school kids and teachers should all be packing heat."

Does this sound like I'm say:

"So you're saying people should NEVER defend themselves?

I don't think so. Please read before you comment.

Cato said...

Andy,

How many times a year do people with legal concealled weapons use them with the initation of force?

Initiating force is illegal, plain and simple. Law-abiding citzens will not initiate force. Criminals will. You don't trust the law-abiding citizens. Why?

AndyRand said...

Dear CATO:
You said:

"How many times a year do people with legal concealled weapons use them with the initation of force? "


You have still failed to meet the challenge and instead try to turn the tables on me by creating your own challenge.
How do you categorize that debating tactic? I'd file it under Cheap Trick!
Answer to your question....
I don't have a clue... Do You?

The issues here is still "Guns Save Lives". Since you appear to be a proponent of that hypothesis...

Prove it!