Top 40 Political Groups: Fabian Socialism

A short history of the Fabian Society
Our comrade Cato mentioned Fabian socialism in a post and, in the interest of educating our millions of readers, we thought we'd provide a link to help background you on the Fabian socialist.
The Fabian Society was founded in 1884 as a socialist society committed to gradual rather than revolutionary social reform. The name comes from the Roman general Quintus Fabius, known as Cunctator from his strategy of delaying battle until the right moment. The Society's early members included George Bernard Shaw (later described by Lenin as 'a good man fallen among Fabians'), Sidney and Beatrice Webb, Emmeline Pankhurst and H G Wells.

From the first Fabian Tract (Why are the Many Poor?) and the original Fabian Essays, published in 1889 in the wake of the Match Girls' Strike, the Society has been characterised by a passionate commitment to social justice and a belief in the progressive improvement of society. It has always maintained a diversity of opinion, motivated by the desire to stimulate debate rather than to promote a particular political 'line'. Its publications represent only the views of their authors.

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Cato said...

Fabian socialists use "private" intermediaries to achieve their socialists goals. Fascism is another word for it, but it's name has turned into something it was not and people have lost the original meaning. They think fascists were righties! Ha! They merely used a different means than the state to do their socialist ends. That and the so-called "liberal" worldview is more about helping everyone not just your own country, so they think because it is the "nationalist socialist party" that they are a bunch of "right-wing nuts" when the truth is anything but. Right-wing is the home of true liberalism, invidiaul rights, etc. Left wing is the home of state control. There was nothing right wing about fascism.

Cato said...

George Bernard Shaw once said, "The goverment that robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on Paul's support." Got to admire him for at least telling the truth about his political leanings.

AndyRand said...


I think you stand in a lonely corner with your interpretation of world politics. I can always count on a contrarian viewpoint from you. This latest "analysis" has not disappointed.

Cato said...

Have you seen the roman fasces, symbol of fascist power, all over in the House of Representatives, Lincoln Memorial, etc.? Considering the sleeping with corporate intrests that this government does it's no suprise.

"[T]he primitive simplicity of (the masses) minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie."
-some son of Austria

AndyRand said...

Quoting your favorite son Adolf again. My My we are redundant.

Karl Rove said...

I demand a correction!

I wrote:

"[T]he primitive simplicity of (the masses) minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie."

Cato said...

It's a powerful quote and germane.

AndyRand said...

If you are aiming that quote at me, you are sadly mistaken. While I may seek a "common good" I am not the blind sheep you presume. When your presuppositions are challenged you ignore the challenge.

You say:

"I know that since morals come not from some supernatural force but from the capacity to reason. They are real and if they are real they are set. A can only be A, not B."

Prove it to me! Because this is the fundamental presupposition you make that I will not accept.

Webster said...

Definitions of morals on the Web:

ethical motive: motivation based on ideas of right and wrong

Morality is a system of principles and judgments based on cultural, religious, and philosophical concepts and beliefs, by which humans determine whether given actions are right or wrong. These concepts and beliefs are often generalized and codified by a culture or group, and thus serve to regulate the behaviour of its members. Conformity to such codification may also be called morality, and the group may depend on widespread conformity to such codes for its continued existence. ...

ethics, the codes, values, principles, and customs of a person or society.

Modes of conduct that are taught and accepted as embodying principles of right and good.

The accepted standards of right and wrong that are usually applied to personal behavior.

AndyRand said...

CATO: If you changed your name to Webster here is the key. "philosophical concepts and beliefs"
Belief inplies faith wheather in a Supreme Being or in Reason.
If these are derived by individuals they have no absolute authority without either
1. A Supreme Being or
2. A majority concensus

Actually only 1. is true.

So in other words, your moral authority it correct only because you have faith in it.

AndyRand said...

One more thought:

"These concepts and beliefs are often generalized and codified by a culture or group"

Geez sound like "group think" to me.
No code to be accepted by the "rugged individual" is it?

Cato said...

I'm not webster (I despise wiki).

A is A: the Law of Identity. Identity makes explicit that reality has a definite nature. If reality has an identity, it is knowable. If it exists in a particular way, it has no contradictions. An object cannot have two identites. You can have a black and white dog, but it cannot be black and white at the same time in the same respect.

Morals do not come from a supernatural force (such as God). They have to come from a natural font. If A is A then they are distinct and there are no contradictions.

Cato said...

Oooooo comment moderation.

AndyRand said...

Besides you who says A is A. Are you the final arbitor? Or do you require concensus? What if there is no concensus whose A is A?

Cato said...

That is mindboggling to me. A cannot be anything else BUT A. And Nothing But A can be A. SO there is no "debate" about what A is. It is A.

Cato said...

If the first sentance was a question to me, and you were asking who else besides me says that A is A, Aristotle is the one who dwelled most on the law of identity. No one else did because it's a truism that requires little or no discussion.

AndyRand said...

What makes the Islamic moral code
different from yours?
Steal something, have your hand cut off. Why not? That could be argued to be reasonable by some.

comments never had to be reviewed until the last hour or so. This is not my doing.

Anonymous said...

Either A=A, according to Cato; or A may or may not be equal to A, depending on the meaning of the word "if", according to andyrand.

Cato said...

I was addressing more along the lines of "stealing for other peolpe is good" or "blowing up children will earn you virgins" or other myths by the mystics. Do they follow Hamuarbi's Code? I am not so sure I even disagree with most of it. Theieves ought be punished severely. Unfoutently, many are exhaulted in this country and others.

Stealing, for instance, is wrong, objectively speaking. As is murder. Both because they vioalte the right to life of another rational being.