9/21/2008

Sarah Palin: Country First?????



Joe Vogler in his own words:

"The founder of the Alaska Independence Party -- a group that has been courted over the years by Sarah Palin, and one her husband was a member of for roughly seven years -- once professed his "hatred for the American government" and cursed the American flag as a "damn flag."

The AIP founder, Joe Vogler, made the comments in 1991, in an interview that's now housed at the Oral History Program in the Rasmuson Library at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks.

"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government," Vogler said in the interview, in which he talked extensively about his desire for Alaskan secession, the key goal of the AIP.

"And I won't be buried under their damn flag," Vogler continued in the interview, which also touched on his disappointment with the American judicial system. "I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."

At another point, Volger advocated renouncing allegiance to the United States. In the course of denouncing Federal regulation over land, he said:

"And then you get mad. And you say, the hell with them. And you renounce allegiance, and you pledge your efforts, your effects, your honor, your life to Alaska."



Alaskans Angered Palin Offlimits

11 comments:

Bacchus Veritas said...

It goes without being said, but this is scary. Of all the potential candidates McCain could have picked, he picked the scariest one possible. Too bad this unpatriotic view of her government isn't sticking.

North Star said...

You're full of bullshit! This isn't scary. Joe Vogler was a cranky pre-statehood, Alskan transplant who fought against the 1956 vote for Alaskan statehood.

He ran for governor a bunch of times and spoke his mind on Alaskan independence. Who the hell in their correct mind wouldn't want to breakaway from the federal government...especially if you lived in a state like Alaska with its rich abundance of resources and wildlife. Without the feds and the Sierra Club fruitcakes from San Fransisco trying to save ANWR, Alaska could be the Saudia Arabia of the North. They have your pansies from the lower 48 by the oil soaked shorthairs.

Face it liberals mooches, Sarah Palin is here to stay and will make an excellent President once McCain resigns for health reasons. It will be great to see a woman with balls and street smarts giving it to the special interests in Washington and turning back the red tide of creeping socialism.

Roadkill said...

Wow. What is it about Palin that drives you liberals around the bend? Is it her humble beginnings, her self-made (non-party machine) success, her conservative principles, or her 80%approval rating? Or is it just the prospect that she could turn this "sure-thing" year for the Democrats into another in a long string of electoral failures?

My wife, a doctoral student at the U of Minn, is amazed at the level of anti-Palin demagogery exhibited by her Professors. Like the media and the Europeans, academia is deeply invested in Obama and just cannot abide by anyone or anything that may upset their dream of electing to the nations highest office an extremely left wing legislator with no significant accomplishments or discernable qualifications for the Presidency.

DB said...

My personal favorite part about Palin is the hypocrisy that surrounds her. All we heard about Obama over the last year was how stupid his blind followers were, and now we hear those who criticize him blindly following her. Obama had a crazy religious background. Obama had little experience. Ironic. I love it. I love the bandwagoning.

Sunny B. said...

Presidential politics is the time when the lemmings wear sheep's clothing. On the right or on the left, they following the talking points and baaaah the phrases without thinking.

Obama has 44 years of life experience and Palin has 42 years. McCain has 72 and Biden 68 or so. They all have different experiences...although Biden and McCain share a long history of legislative experience.

Many woman love Palin for what she is -- a mother, wife, successful career, holy roller, with experiences that are actually quite normal. Many hate her for those reason...plus she happens to be on the Republican ticket. Had the Democrats been able to come up with a Palin for their ticket, the Repuiblican would have been the haters. Hillary is no Palin either.

But then again, this is politics at its highest level and common sense and the facts rarely visit this neighborhood of politics.

Roadkill said...

Sunny,

I agree. Palin is no more qualified for high office than is Obama, and the other two on the tickets (that would be McCain and Biden, for those not paying close attention) are not exactly first rate material in either party.

The GOP caught the Dems off guard with their selection of Palin, and for some reason rank and file Repubs find her appealing despite her inexperience.

In the end, I think most regular folks are going to vote their party, since they know that the top guy on each ticket will work to advance what they generally feel is best for the country. Its those peculiar "independent voters" that will decide this one.

Personally, I think McCain is better positioned to appeal to the middle, since he actually has crossed the aisle and worked with the other side on meaningful legislation. Then again, after 8 years of marbles-in-the-mouth, perhaps some of those undecideds will vote to bring cogency back to presidential oratory.

Sunny B. said...

RK:

It's interesting to note that I've run into doing phone canvesing. The week after Palin was picked the phone I talked two were either leaning towards McCain or Obama with very few undecided. Last week, only a couple of people said definately McCain or Obama and pretty much everybody else said undecided. They all mentioned that the debates will be very important in decidng how they will vote.

A couple told me they have voted for Republicans all their life but are planning to vote for Obama. One olded person told me they have voted for Democrats all their life but don't think they can vote for Obama because he is Black.

I find the news stories about White not voting for Obama because he is Black interesting. Are people surprised at this? Are people surprised that life-long Democrats wouldn't vote for a Black man? I'm not surpprised at all. Evidently, people don't get out much or they don't enter the were everything isn't utter under the pretenses of political correctness. Union guys that have pretty much stay on the Democratic side say they won't be voting for Obama. But them again, I know White guys that voted for Bush twice that don't think the can vote for McCain because of Palin on the ticket...they have suffered multiple divorces and might be afraid of a President holding up a to-do list in the Rose Garden and putting the clamps on for back alimony.

Some also think the media want to keep reporting the race very close so people won't lose interest. They say that millions of young people have cellphones and no land lines and aren't included in the survey. This is an important trend the could have an impact.

Roadkill said...

Sunny,

Your phone work sample not withstanding, the AP is reporting that 18% of voters are undecided.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26868632/

Also, your worries about some Democrats not voting for Obama are well founded, I think; I've mentioned before that, outside of the last 40 years or so, the Democrats have been the party of slavery, segregation, and Jim Crow.

But in fairness, Republicans are not being so tested this year; they can claim that they oppose Obama on political and philosphical grounds, and not come face to face with the race issue.

I guess the real gut-crunch would have been if Hillary had won the Democrat Primary and Condi Rice had been asked to join the GOP ticket (or did she?). From what I know of my conservative friends, that would have been a no brainer for Condi, but its easy to say that in the hypothetical.

Concur on all that about the media.

Sunny B. said...

I've heard lots of Democrats questioning why Hillary didn't get picked for the ticket. I wonder if she wanted to be on the ticket. There must be a bitter ego hangover issue or two from the campaign. I've read or heard on the radio a few times that she told the BO campaign that she didn't want to be on the ticket.

On the GOP ticket, McCain has really become the Dagwood Bumstead to Palin's Blondie act. On the Dem side we've got Obama in the lead role of Father Knows Best and Biden doing a shy Uncle Charlie imitation. Now McCain wants to back out of Debate #1. I think that is a mistake. This Presidential election is big stuff and the American way is to but out nose to the grinding wheel and show the world we can take a licking and keep on thicking.

Finally people at work and on the street are start to sit up and take notice able the economy. Finally, Bush has become the uniter who has finally been able to bring together the GOP and the Dems to fight for the middle class.

What's you take on the $700 B bailout?

Sunny B. said...

I've heard lots of Democrats questioning why Hillary didn't get picked for the ticket. I wonder if she wanted to be on the ticket. There must be a bitter ego hangover issue or two from the campaign. I've read or heard on the radio a few times that she told the BO campaign that she didn't want to be on the ticket.

On the GOP ticket, McCain has really become the Dagwood Bumstead to Palin's Blondie act. On the Dem side we've got Obama in the lead role of Father Knows Best and Biden doing a shy Uncle Charlie imitation. Now McCain wants to back out of Debate #1. I think that is a mistake. This Presidential election is big stuff and the American way is to but out nose to the grinding wheel and show the world we can take a licking and keep on thicking.

Finally people at work and on the street are start to sit up and take notice able the economy. Finally, Bush has become the uniter who has finally been able to bring together the GOP and the Dems to fight for the middle class.

What's you take on the $700 B bailout?

Roadkill said...

As I see it both parties and both political branches are equally responsible for this mess, and I trust none of the above to get us out of it.

The government has no business getting involved in a bail-out. The fact is, this is a "common ground" area where principled liberals, libertarians, and conservatives can all agree to let those greedy and irresponsible wall street companies fail. Moreover, a lot of those corporate board members and senior executives should probably be investigated for criminal malfeasance.

The last thing that should happen is for grandstanding politicians to commit the taxpayers to a huge corporate buyout of junky mortgage securities.

I also hope some enterprising journalist gets busy and starts digging into just how incestual this whole Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac/Politican menage-a-trois really is.

As far as I'm concerned, the best case scenario is for political gridlock in this election year to paralyze the process and prevent Congress and the Administration from agreeing to any sort of bailout.